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blast off on another epic episode of the

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hyper anomalous esoteric research

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organization podcast hero paranormal

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broadcasting

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from space wolf research in the heart of

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shapeshifter territory in the uintah

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basin of utah

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just south of the old sherman ranch

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my name is ryan the anomalous ambassador

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of the airwaves bringing you an epic

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episode tonight

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on today's podcast we have someone i've

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wanted to talk to for some time

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jordan lone bear

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podcaster and entertainer jordan is the

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podcast host of scary stories to tell

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from the rez which can be found on

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anchor and other podcast formats

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he is a local from the uinta basin of

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utah he also hosts one of the greatest

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wrestling podcasts around

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jordan is extremely familiar with the

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indigenous lore and uenta anuray

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reservation

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which is located in the uintah basin of

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utah

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he's conscious of the philosophy of the

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trickster and has heard his share of

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stories about

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skinwalkers and high strangeness

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there are dimensions to the secrets of

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the uintah basin only local researchers

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are aware of

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legendary entities have roamed this land

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for 15 generations according to the ute

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tribe

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and the evolution of making contact with

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these entities has changed

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rocketing us into a new era of

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superstitions science mythology and

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symbolism we delve deeply into the

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secrets of the uintah basin and stalking

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the scary stories to tell from the res

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jordan lone bear welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast

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oh man you uh you made me feel really

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good about myself with that intro

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thanks man it's well deserved well

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deserved i can't wait to get into things

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um i love that you are a uinta base and

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local because so often we have people

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that just you know the weekend warriors

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or they'll have an experience or two and

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and they'll try to explain it in terms

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that they understand but the reality is

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uh for those that are not familiar with

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the uintah basin i mean when the sun

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goes down and actually sometimes when

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the sun is up

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things are a little strange there or

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it's just a little different than other

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places aren't they

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i've grown up here my entire life and

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been really fun to hear the stories

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um as kids we were told uh i mean

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i'm actually an enrolled member of the

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uh ute mountain tribe

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and i grew up here and our lore that we

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have is tied to a lot of the

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supernatural stuff that's around here

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hearing all these stories from

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uh everybody that's not you know from

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here but also from around you know

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the united states and everything has

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been really fun

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but uh yeah i know i definitely

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i definitely got to give you that

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because i've seen some stuff i've heard

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some stuff even during the daylight out

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in this area there's uh there's

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something out here

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yeah there is a presence like an energy

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it's some it's like a shift that happens

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when you uh cross into certain areas

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and it's hard to explain no to people

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that aren't familiar with those like

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that dimension of truth that is the you

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i've spoken with uh

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i love talking to the older residents

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too and you're right there at the heart

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of a lot of what goes down and i've

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spoken with a lot of the older residents

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and you know they have so many tales

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back in the day of like

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you know when they when they were

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um you know things they would see or

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how how did you get

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into this awesome podcast that you have

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and before we move any further let's

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tell our listeners about your podcast

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and where they can find uh everything

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that you have going on

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oh uh well so scary stories to tell from

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the res is uh like like he said it's on

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uh the anchor app you can also find me

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on uh youtube

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i have a youtube channel that i've been

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doing quite recently

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there's a spotify and google podcast if

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i remember right

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trying to get all these uh trying to

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keep my brain going with all these just

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because i've got um other podcasts that

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i do uh one that

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i've taken a break from which was a

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passion project originally was uh my

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true crime podcast one missing one

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murdered all indigenous which is

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basically a true crime podcast that

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dedicates itself to true crime involving

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indigenous people

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uh and i've gone through and

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interviewed people you know family

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members that of the people that have

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gone missing over the years and i've

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gotten to sit down and tell their

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tell their loved one story and as well

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as giving them a chance to come in and

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tell us you know how what it's been like

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um but i've had to put that one on hold

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recently just because of uh some

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personal issues it's a podcast that i

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really love just because it deserves

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there's so much lore into it there's so

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passion and and a lot of emotion that

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goes into that which is draining uh both

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as a content creator and as a person to

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hear these stories but um i'd like to

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take a break from that one but make no

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mistake it will come back soon

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um the last one that i just launched was

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a wrestling podcast called talking

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that's been a passion a real passion

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project of mine because i love

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professional wrestling outside of scary

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stuff and true crime i i'm a big fan boy

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of professional wrestling at heart

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and i started that one

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and it's been fun uh i've been

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gosh i think two and a half years one

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so but you guys can find all that stuff

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on youtube we also have facebook for

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every one of them and a quick shout out

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that i'm part of as well

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uh i've i've got a lot of spinning

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that's awesome

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um

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man posh passion projects are like that

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and i love that title one missing one

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murdered what a great title man it is

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hard being a content creator and you've

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got like you said a lot going on there

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are some spooky stories there on the res

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how do we want to kick this off um do

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gosh i don't know where where do where

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do we where do we go from here

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well a lot of the way that um scary

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stories to tell from the res works is

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that i'm always searching it's been a pe

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this one also is very passion driven it

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but it's also very listener driven i

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depend on all my listeners to send me

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stories to tell me their stories their

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encounters and when that happens

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i i'm able to you know if you send them

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in you can write them out um you can

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also record them audioly i'm on tik tok

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a lot i'm always searching for stories

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there on those platforms and just like

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i'm able to swap cast and talk to

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different people and hear their

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experiences from the reservation across

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indian country because

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even if you're not indigenous even if

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you don't live on the reservation you've

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definitely driven through one you've had

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and um i guess i can ask you

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and scariest things that's happened to

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you while being in within the

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yeah man um gosh you know

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i would say that one of oh i'll just

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start with the first thing that really

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and that was back in the late 90s i was

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a fly fishing guide um up in dutch john

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utah below on the green river below

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flaming gorge and injured my foot

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with a strange uh

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that i had a buddy that

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had found these glow-in-the-dark rocks

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bright idea that this would make a great

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little rock garden in front of the house

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thought oh man maybe i can't do this

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maybe it's a forest ranger i dropped one

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of the larger rocks and it broke my toe

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light in the trees that ended up going

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up into the sky but i didn't think you

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know too much of it i just thought this

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really sucks that i have a broken foot

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wet so i went looking for

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new areas to fish down in the uintah

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basin which there are some honey spots

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there's some oasises as you know where

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like there's some great fishing

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going down a random ranch road at the

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time there were no gates no fences

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the stories that came out of that region

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radar back then nobody knew about it

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and i saw what i can only describe

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someone elderly kind of shuffling

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ridge line down that rocky outcropping

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blanket um over their head

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rolled down my window and thought i'd be

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the good samaritan and i said hey uh can

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i offer you a ride somewhere are you

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okay

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they said nothing they mumbled a little

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bit they climbed into my truck

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and within about

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just two or three seconds jordan it's

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like this thing was just going through

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my mind is what it felt like

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it felt like it was uh just kind of

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flipping through the highs and the lows

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of my life emotionally like whatever it

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could

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get that it enticed it it was like

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feeding off like archonically off the

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good stuff and the bad stuff and i lost

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a little time um

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fast forward a few hours later uh i was

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surrounded by

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um bureau of indian affairs officers

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around my truck there

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at bottle hollow i was back at the

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reservoir

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and i was kind of

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like hanging out of my truck but my seat

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belt was holding me in

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and i was sort of catatonic so they woke

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me up

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and they asked me what had happened and

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i came right to and i told i just

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figured you know what i'll just be

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honest what the heck and i just told

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them exactly what i had experienced

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and they didn't seem what really spooked

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me they didn't seem all that surprised

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they

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saying this guy got nabbed by the

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skinwalker and that's the first time

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that i heard that term and it sort of

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oh man

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that's

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really really chilling just because i

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did uh my last episode was hearing from

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an individual who is uh down from the

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four corners area talking about how as a

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that i think it was that they were an

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officer in that area that they had run

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into a man with a blanket

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a native man with a blanket and they you

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know they were told to just leave him

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alone

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um

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that's extremely interesting because

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when it comes to the skinwalker lore you

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hear a lot of big dog

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you know it was a big dog it looked like

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this look at that a lot of the times

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when you encounter something to that

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effect it seems like they're already

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transformed they're already

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you know they're already in their

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whatever form that they've chosen very

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rarely do you ever hear stories at least

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in my experience ever hear of hearing

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of them before they transition before

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they you know before they make that

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different

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jump so that's really really spooky

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to hear that um

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i'm very familiar with that area i grew

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up there and i used to go i take my kids

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fishing they're fishing and swimming in

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bottle hollow area

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and as teenagers we would go

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drive in that area to just go hang out

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and we would go overlook the the

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reservoir and then the lake and

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everything and we would watch these orbs

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that would fly around out there

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to us they were just lights and we

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thought it was really cool

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but um

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you know

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that's

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oh that gives me chills

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it's it's such an interesting it's a

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magical area and

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man it is you know the stories that i've

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heard from people

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working out in the oil fields and

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even down nine mile canyon and for a lot

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of the listeners that aren't familiar

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with the area i mean this area

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is thousands and thousands of acres and

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for example nine mile canyon

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has

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the

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longest and largest petroglyph uh arrays

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of anywhere on the planet and then you

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have places uh you know

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that are even closer there to the center

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of the uintah basin where there's very

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different petroglyphs and pictographs

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that can't be found hardly anywhere else

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i mean i think of

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you know dry fort canyon and you name it

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all around mightin

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up in the uintas there's there's some

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very very unique history and cultural

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artifacts and you know

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wall art that you don't find anywhere

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else on the planet i mean it's it's

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pretty wild isn't it

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it really is i've actually um worked in

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the oil field i've worked there for over

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10 years now i've not only growing up

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here i live i've worked in that area in

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the nine mile area there are places out

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in the oil field

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i won't mention the the company names

402
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because i don't know how that works for

403
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them but um in the oil fields out there

404
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uh just south of the fort shane area

405
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there are places that have been

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undiscovered with petroglyphs i know

407
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that as a water hauler in that area

408
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i would consistently find different

409
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rocks that had that were stacked unique

410
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now i'd heard the stories of what

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they're for

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but i'd have to be reminded because i

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know that there's places out there that

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just rocks are just randomly stacked in

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a really diff in a really weird order

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but i was always told that they're

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they're there for a reason

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but um yeah there's a lot of activity

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out there

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in the oil field because you know it you

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would think that because of all the

422
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machinery and stuff like that that this

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the

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it seems like it's

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sort of fed into the energy that

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whatever is out there what what lies out

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in that fields

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it feeds off of

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the the the energy that's coming out of

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the ground or and that's being you know

431
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stirred up out there

432
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totally 100 the i was thinking the same

433
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thing because it's such

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loud clamor i mean lights

435
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drilling and you know sewing you would

436
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think that anything that was mysterious

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00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:45,279
would avoid that at all costs

438
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however

439
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it's almost like it's fearless of

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anything and

441
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you know i remember talking um

442
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to a gentleman his parents owned

443
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uh one of the stores there in vernal it

444
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was his last name is ashton and he told

445
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me about being out in the oil field he's

446
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older now but this was years ago and he

447
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was driving a truck like you said and he

448
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just kind of was really tired and pulled

449
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over towards the side of the road

450
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and he said it wasn't long before he

451
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heard something walking outside his

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truck and then it was pushing on his

453
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truck and these trucks are big and this

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truck was moving around

455
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and um you know he was young and is in

456
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his prime but he said he was scared to

457
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death and he started the truck and kept

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on moving

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it's

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yeah and and that's not like that fairly

461
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:42,160
that's i find that absolutely wild and

462
00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:44,160
he was telling me that's not that unique

463
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:46,160
of a case like there's a lot of stories

464
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like this

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gary

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uh

467
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:51,440
you know it was interesting because when

468
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i first started hauling water my

469
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my older brother

470
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hauled water and for years and uh he's

471
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part of the reason why i got into

472
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:01,280
hauling water it's uh

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00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:02,720
it was one of the things that he

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explained to me that both him and my

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father were they worked out there and

476
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they would tell me that there would be

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instances where

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you work in the oil field there is no

479
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nine to five clock yeah i mean you're

480
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you're out there until the job's done or

481
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you're out there before the job you know

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at all hours of the

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hours of the day but there would be

484
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instances where you would be out there

485
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having to load

486
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uh even straight out of the river

487
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and the way the indigenous community

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looks at water is that it's life you

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know it it feeds life

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and that so you would assume that

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anything

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everything needs water needs that that

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energy that life that it gives

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uh and with that being said they

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you would have to i was told that if you

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ever had the load out of the river at

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night

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uh to stand with a shovel um you're

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equipped with a lot of tools and they

500
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:58,080
were like stand out there with a shovel

501
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,480
and because you never know not just

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00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,880
wildlife not just uh not predator

503
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:04,799
wildlife but there are things out there

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that will stand there either if they'll

505
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:08,880
either watch you i've heard instances

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where

507
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:11,440
there's been something that gets just

508
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,799
close enough

509
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,799
to seeing you

510
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:16,799
i personally have an experience with

511
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that as well i i've told that story a

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hundred times

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on the show

514
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,559
but yeah there's something to be said

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about being watched out in the oil field

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00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,480
especially at night there are things out

517
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:30,640
there that just that tend to watch you

518
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:33,280
and while you're doing your job

519
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:35,840
and it seems like people can sense that

520
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:38,400
watching it's just so creepy

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00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,520
um

522
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:41,120
there was uh

523
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,280
an interesting story a guy that i used

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to fly fish with

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he

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00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:50,880
was like super good shape way better

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00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:53,440
shape than i was and we'd fly fish and

528
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he would tell me that his

529
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:59,200
grandfather would go out and

530
00:20:01,750 --> 00:20:00,000
kind of

531
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,760
i don't know commune with these lights

532
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:04,080
in the sky so more or less

533
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,039
and he would tell his family like one

534
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:09,360
day you know like they would talk about

535
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,880
oh i don't know when we're going to bury

536
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,480
you like where do you want to be buried

537
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,840
and he said you won't have to worry

538
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,280
about that because

539
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,120
what what will happen is i'll just go

540
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,120
out and one day you know they'll take me

541
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:20,799
and they all would kind of laugh about

542
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:24,960
it but one day this guy did go out

543
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,760
they eventually found his car but he was

544
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,520
nowhere to be found he was an older guy

545
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:31,840
that couldn't you know get that far from

546
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:33,280
the car

547
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:35,039
he found nothing else they didn't find

548
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,280
his clothes his wallet no footprints

549
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:39,120
nothing he was just gone

550
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,559
and

551
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:42,880
you know it's stories like that that i

552
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:46,240
mean they freak me out um

553
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:50,480
another tale and and is right out of dry

554
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:52,000
fork canyon you've probably have you

555
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,679
heard the one about the witch at dry

556
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:55,360
fort canyon have you heard that one

557
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,720
jordan

558
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:58,880
i don't think that i have this one is

559
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,440
super crazy because it kind of brings in

560
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:04,080
sort of that witchcrafty element

561
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,520
and

562
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,520
you know they have remember the main

563
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,600
there which is uh for listeners it's

564
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,200
sort of a

565
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,400
tribute um to uh

566
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,880
if i'm not mistaken uh soldiers who had

567
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,799
fallen in past wars

568
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:19,760
and

569
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:22,799
in particular i want to say it's for the

570
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:26,159
boat uh during

571
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,760
pearl harbor um that had a bunch of utah

572
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,600
soldiers on it i hope i'm not speaking

573
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,679
out of turn there i think that's correct

574
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:35,440
and

575
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:38,799
um to describe this canyon it has really

576
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,840
steep almost vertical cliff faces and

577
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,039
it's

578
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:45,840
very very large

579
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,600
and the story is a guy

580
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,520
basically law enforcement found a guy

581
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,640
who had jumped off of there and

582
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,200
committed suicide he had neatly folded

583
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,039
his clothes at the top of the cliff and

584
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,799
it takes a long time to hike up and

585
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,480
around to get there

586
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,320
and this was on the west side of the

587
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,480
road if i'm not mistaken and he neatly

588
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,000
folded his clothes

589
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:07,919
jumped to his death and the police

590
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,720
investigated it they couldn't find any

591
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:13,200
foul play they moved on

592
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,480
well six months later another guy did

593
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:18,720
the same thing

594
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,520
they

595
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:21,600
neatly folded his clothes jumped off the

596
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,799
same area they investigated and the law

597
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,200
enforcement officials found that these

598
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,559
two guys

599
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:31,200
had the same girlfriend

600
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:32,320
and

601
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,440
believe also a meth dealer

602
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:39,440
and some and

603
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:42,320
they still could not

604
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,679
kind of connect the two because

605
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,919
she was nowhere near these events when

606
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:49,520
they took place

607
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:52,559
but you know from an occult perspective

608
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,600
kind of an

609
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,919
esoterically looking at this

610
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:58,320
it seems like the guys were sort of

611
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,919
under some kind of mind control when

612
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,080
they did this just because of the neatly

613
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:05,440
folded clothes and the like almost exact

614
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,760
same behavior so that that's kind of a

615
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,360
freaky one but i i don't think they

616
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:12,000
could do anything because there's no way

617
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,520
to prove

618
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,600
that she had anything to do with it

619
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,919
yeah that seems like a hard uh

620
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:20,159
a really hard chore to try to connect i

621
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,440
mean the only connection like you said

622
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,159
they had that everybody knows would be

623
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,799
her as an individual but i mean the

624
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,799
like you said if if they're

625
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,039
if it's down to the folding your clothes

626
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,200
hiking is was it the exact same spot

627
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:35,679
that they had jumped from almost exactly

628
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:38,080
like within like close enough to make

629
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,760
them very weary of the whole thing

630
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,679
um that's

631
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,880
it

632
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,480
i mean that would be

633
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,120
unless he was led to that exact spot i

634
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,279
mean that yeah there's i'm leaning

635
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,080
towards the the supernatural uh of it

636
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,240
because coincidences

637
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,919
i mean we all know that in true crime

638
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,360
you know there there isn't that many

639
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,760
coincidences

640
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:04,400
yeah and speaking of true crime you're

641
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,520
one missing and one murdered podcast

642
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:08,960
um

643
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:12,640
do you have any tales from that that

644
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,669
it's really a challenge when i go into

645
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,000
the the true crime with indigenous

646
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,400
people because there are a lot of

647
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,640
the the challenges that you deal with

648
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,720
when you're reporting these is you know

649
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:32,720
lack of information lack of

650
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,799
uh lack of care uh to be frank about it

651
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,159
but um

652
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,400
there have been instances where some of

653
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,480
these cases happened that just don't

654
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,480
seem to make sense there's the the

655
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:46,640
vanishing there was a case that i've

656
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:49,600
been investigating for a while that

657
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,679
she was a girl from the navajo nation

658
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,679
and she was

659
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,760
on she she had medication that she took

660
00:25:02,950 --> 00:24:59,360
regularly

661
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,960
and one day she just got up said she was

662
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:04,880
gonna go meet a friend which she didn't

663
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:08,000
go meet after the fact and she got into

664
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:08,799
she

665
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,640
that happens more often than not that

666
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,240
our people just tend to vanish out of

667
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,880
thin air i know that there is a lot of

668
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,480
you know trafficking and human

669
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:19,919
trafficking things and stuff like that

670
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,799
to which has always been um i've found

671
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,320
that you can't rule it out especially

672
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,159
with this case i think it was in the 70s

673
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,000
i can't recall whether or not i i

674
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,080
covered it or not but there are a lot of

675
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:32,000
cases out there of

676
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:33,360
native people

677
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,320
just tending to either disappear or they

678
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:37,760
or they end up

679
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,840
uh they end up deceased found deceased

680
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,760
for really odd reasons

681
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:44,799
um

682
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,240
uh

683
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:50,320
foul play and stuff like that but there

684
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,600
are cases uh as far as i've seen so far

685
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,120
i always keep an open mind about it but

686
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,679
so far there hasn't been anything that

687
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,760
has jumped out at me that

688
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,400
screams paranormal um

689
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:08,149
it from from the lack of reports from

690
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,120
police

691
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:10,960
and and reporters and stuff like that

692
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,840
it's it's really limited so i i would i

693
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,200
would

694
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,360
say that it's it's just tough to really

695
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:20,000
make a clear call you know

696
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:21,120
totally

697
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:22,080
um

698
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:25,840
speaking of the four corners area i had

699
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:28,960
the opportunity to speak with um navajo

700
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,480
ranger jonathan dover and some of his uh

701
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:33,760
co-workers

702
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:36,720
who were great they had some great tales

703
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:37,840
but

704
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,279
it's amazing the four corners how active

705
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:43,200
that location is

706
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,400
and how

707
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,400
a lot of times

708
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,559
people know kind of you know where the

709
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,880
red flags are so to speak like who may

710
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:53,520
or may not be practicing the occult

711
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:54,480
and

712
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:57,840
he was tasked with investigating

713
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,880
among his duties some of these stranger

714
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:03,200
cases because

715
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,640
it is

716
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,559
one of those things where

717
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,480
well let's say for example if i were to

718
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,320
jump on the phone and call and say hey

719
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,640
there's a bigfoot looking in my window

720
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:14,400
the cops would laugh at me and probably

721
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,910
not come out but

722
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,279
[Music]

723
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,240
you know jonathan was saying that many

724
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,399
times very respected members of the

725
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:23,600
community

726
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,399
and others would have tales

727
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,559
that in addition to his regular law

728
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:31,200
enforcement duties would kind of be one

729
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:34,720
step closer to that fringe and because

730
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,120
he knew them personally and the other

731
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,640
rangers did too

732
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:40,559
these aren't people that would tend to

733
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,360
lie

734
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,559
they were called out on some very

735
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,559
very strange cases

736
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:49,440
and in some cases

737
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,559
he had mentioned that they would show up

738
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:53,919
on-site

739
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,640
investigating some of these oddities and

740
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,480
they would find

741
00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:00,399
for lack of a better word other

742
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,440
government

743
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,600
i should

744
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:05,039
be careful here

745
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:06,159
other

746
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,760
research

747
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,080
people with government ties

748
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:12,240
who were also investigating the same

749
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,039
thing

750
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,880
um which kind of brings me to like the

751
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,440
men in black thing like even though it's

752
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:19,840
hard to say oh they were men in black

753
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,279
um they they were as close as i've come

754
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,120
to somebody that could be deemed that

755
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,960
without going into like the weird factor

756
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,960
of the men in black but just people that

757
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:31,120
are usually you know rolling around in

758
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,200
black suburbans have uh

759
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:37,200
have higher credentials than the average

760
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:38,559
investigator

761
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,320
and um some of them were even tied to

762
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:44,720
bigelow aerospace which

763
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:47,840
also owned some property

764
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,480
in the basin so i just think that's kind

765
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,279
of an interesting tie that um jonathan

766
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,360
had mentioned sometimes they'd get to

767
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:57,520
these places and they weren't the only

768
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:00,960
ones interested in what was taking place

769
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,870
absolutely

770
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,360
it's it's really interesting to

771
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:08,960
to kind of take that subject and tie

772
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:11,840
back to the true crime thing like

773
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,559
with living in the indigenous community

774
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,960
it's a federal land and we're we're

775
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:19,279
governed under federal jurisdiction and

776
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,120
so any activity whether it is a crime

777
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,159
murder assaults uh things like that or

778
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,159
weird things stuff like that we we are

779
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,640
very tight we're tied very close to

780
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,279
federal and so it's not too surprising

781
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,440
to hear that federal that you know that

782
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,960
anybody with sort any sort of high

783
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:38,880
government clearance or anything to that

784
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,440
nature would be present during any of

785
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:43,520
these sightings and stuff like that

786
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,159
because you know it's it but it really

787
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,080
makes you wonder like who are you know

788
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,320
who are these people you know who

789
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,720
who who's standing there like just do

790
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,159
they have a scanner in their car and

791
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,080
just hanging out or what's going on

792
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,320
that's what i was wondering how did they

793
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,039
happen to hear about this and more

794
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:02,880
importantly how do they happen to

795
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,120
perfectly show up at the right time

796
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,840
at the right place

797
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,320
it's you know pretty far whether it's

798
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,120
vegas or utah to the four corners and

799
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,440
they would be there on site so they

800
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,440
either bookmarked this through some kind

801
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:18,960
of like you said

802
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:21,760
uh scanner or they had a window of

803
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:23,679
opportunity where they were i don't know

804
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,000
that's it's fascinating

805
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,080
well to talk about that area

806
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,399
um the tribe that i'm enrolled in is

807
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,039
actually a stone's throw away from the

808
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,679
four corners area

809
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,080
i had grown i grew up here within the un

810
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,880
basin but i would frequently go down to

811
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:41,840
visit

812
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,559
and it's really something because you

813
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,080
hear tales

814
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:48,320
of and we're told you know not to pick

815
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:49,919
up hitchhikers on that road i think it

816
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,480
was uh route 666 i think they changed it

817
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,320
but that route runs straight through the

818
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:58,159
ute mountain youth tribe

819
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,120
and

820
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,840
we have a there's a sign there that says

821
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,919
do not pick up hitchhikers i i might be

822
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,000
i might be out of speaking out of turn

823
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,240
but we were always told as

824
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,080
you know as the members of the community

825
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,080
like don't just don't pick up anybody

826
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:14,480
you see somebody don't pick them up

827
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,360
um

828
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,679
because you never know it's what they

829
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,440
always used to say you never know what

830
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,840
or who you're picking up and

831
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,320
i've heard horror stories of them

832
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,240
none that i can uh none that i can

833
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,880
recall at the moment but um yeah that

834
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,200
that area is flooded with a lot of

835
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,840
paranormal stuff a lot of unexplained

836
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,240
stuff when it comes to that so i'm and

837
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,919
and i'm pretty sure that the government

838
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,320
or anybody any law enforcement agency

839
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:43,039
knows this and uh it would it's not too

840
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:44,720
surprising that they would they might

841
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:45,440
have

842
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:48,880
a station somewhere in that area yeah

843
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,760
yeah and that that is a beautiful area

844
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,919
if anybody has not been down there and

845
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,840
seen chimney rock

846
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,240
and a lot of

847
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,960
just all of all of the all of the area

848
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:03,440
is stunning and even parts uh

849
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,679
even parts of new mexico which are close

850
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,519
close by to the south

851
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,960
um

852
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,960
there's so much fascinating stuff around

853
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,880
there it's just it's just fascinating

854
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,399
man

855
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,320
there's a lot of lore in that area too

856
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:17,840
there's a lot of

857
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,120
the the if you go uh i think it's north

858
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:23,039
um my directions might be turned around

859
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,559
a little bit but there's the the mesa

860
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:25,600
verde

861
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,000
that the the area of the people they

862
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,760
used to live in that mountainside

863
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,000
there's an energy there being there i

864
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,640
used to go there uh as a kid

865
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:37,679
to just as a museum thing or whatever

866
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,320
but you can feel things you can feel the

867
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,440
energy

868
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,200
for years i didn't know what it was but

869
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,360
you know i thought it was just pride or

870
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,519
you know that you know that connection

871
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,240
to the the earth that way but

872
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,480
there's an energy and residualness that

873
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,559
rests in this land

874
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,720
uh when it comes to

875
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,919
uh

876
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,360
for years

877
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,120
it's laid dormant

878
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,919
and when we as people walk through this

879
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,360
land or they they drive through they

880
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,919
build through it you're disturbing that

881
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:10,159
and it and it gives that energy to the

882
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,039
land

883
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,519
as indigenous people we talk about how

884
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,600
we give our energy that way you know

885
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,760
when we come from the ground in that you

886
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,760
know we we go back to it

887
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,480
so

888
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,799
who you know who's really to say that

889
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,960
the energy that you're walking on the

890
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,880
energy that you're that is sitting on

891
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,919
right now

892
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:30,000
that there's energy in that ground in

893
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,679
that rock in that chair that you're

894
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,720
sitting in

895
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,320
so

896
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,240
that was just my take on it

897
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:39,440
yeah and man mesa verde is something

898
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,559
else that is if that needs to be visited

899
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,720
by anybody exploring

900
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:46,159
that area

901
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,159
and it reminds me of a story that i got

902
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,279
called out to investigate which is it's

903
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:54,880
south of there it's i i wish it would

904
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,480
have been mesa verde but it's at the um

905
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,000
choco canyon

906
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,039
and that's in new mexico and the

907
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,120
the story was

908
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,120
that there was

909
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,359
and it's one of these stories again like

910
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,760
you mentioned it's so hard to

911
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:14,159
track down the individuals related to

912
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,200
this

913
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,440
and figure out exactly what happened

914
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,119
because

915
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,200
it's one of these government type

916
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,879
situations where

917
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,280
an excavation was uh

918
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,599
take had taken place by individuals that

919
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:28,960
were just there

920
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:31,599
and they had found for lack of a better

921
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,359
word sort of a sort of a cave going into

922
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,760
into this excavation and

923
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,359
government archaeologists were called

924
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,320
immediately but basically the rough the

925
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,919
rough story was

926
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,240
these locals found this cave

927
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,639
it had you know they they figured out

928
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:51,119
how to whisk into it get in there and

929
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,240
and

930
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,399
there were things on the walls that were

931
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,399
very museum-ish

932
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,119
and uh various

933
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:00,960
mentions of

934
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,520
um the wingmakers

935
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,920
is what they described them as

936
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,359
and apparently these government

937
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:09,280
archaeologists came in

938
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,160
they

939
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,240
shut everything down told the people you

940
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,839
know as you often hear and this is where

941
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,079
it's hard to verify this but they told

942
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,920
them you know don't don't tell anybody

943
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:19,839
about this this is uh

944
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,800
this is national security and

945
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,200
the american museum of national history

946
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,599
is natural history from new york city

947
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,800
came out

948
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,440
and are residing over this and i believe

949
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,040
some others

950
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:35,440
but basically

951
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,560
they they saw this as well that this

952
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,240
this was kind of a hall of records of

953
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,200
sorts and they saw these wingmakers um

954
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,200
and so they literally did like a google

955
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,720
search and found

956
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,800
an organization called the wingmakers

957
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,400
and they reached out to them and they

958
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:52,000
said what is this

959
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,520
and they said i don't know it probably

960
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,720
was us

961
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,040
but because it's a different time period

962
00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:59,119
and dimensionally speaking we can't

963
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:02,880
speak to that we can't claim any uh

964
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,760
any any any ties to that

965
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:06,800
and

966
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,839
again it was like very strange because

967
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,240
it seemed like there was these elite

968
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,560
groups that came in took dominion over

969
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,000
the whole

970
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,920
archaeological area

971
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,400
and if i'm not mistaken the remains were

972
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,320
kind of hauled off and they claimed that

973
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:24,320
these belong to them or that this was

974
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,359
part of

975
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:27,359
the conclusion was this was

976
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,800
something really important and

977
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,720
you know you hear these stories but it's

978
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,200
really hard to verify them isn't it it's

979
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:41,109
that uh leaves me with way more

980
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,480
questions than

981
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,640
than answers it's really interesting

982
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,640
because why would you

983
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,200
why would you as a as a national park

984
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:50,960
want to know of these things i get

985
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:54,000
closing it off for preservation to get

986
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,680
you know to verify that what you're

987
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,040
looking at is

988
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,440
you know historically you know important

989
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:01,200
or if it's graffiti and stuff like that

990
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:08,870
to to unders

991
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,630
is very sus you know it's very suspect

992
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,040
in my opinion

993
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,880
yeah it's weird there was there was

994
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,760
another story that kind of it reminds me

995
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:21,280
of that a little bit this one took place

996
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,440
in arizona i actually heard this

997
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,760
through the grapevine that

998
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:29,440
there was a

999
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,640
archaeological uh

1000
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,040
college students doing a dig

1001
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,160
and they it was a hopi site

1002
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:40,720
and as they were going

1003
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,359
through they found some things that

1004
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,760
baffled them and among those things were

1005
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:48,079
like tibetan prayer flags that seemed

1006
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:51,839
consistent with the era and

1007
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,160
you know it's just one of those like

1008
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,920
they immediately shut it down like

1009
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,839
cordoned it off like wait okay you guys

1010
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,440
are out of here you're done

1011
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:01,839
and and it's like wait a minute that's

1012
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,960
like a long way geographically

1013
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,440
and there's a lot of amazing history

1014
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:09,599
with the hopi and

1015
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:10,560
uh

1016
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,000
they're known for very amazing things

1017
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,320
and so that i thought like you know what

1018
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,240
is what am i missing here like how how

1019
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,520
did they find tibetan prayer flags in a

1020
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,480
you know among hopi artifacts in arizona

1021
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,119
but again one of those stories where you

1022
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,440
know i tried to dig in and it's just so

1023
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,880
hard to get any

1024
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,040
valuable information it's just all word

1025
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,359
of mouth

1026
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:37,359
that's real that's really interesting

1027
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:38,800
because uh

1028
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,560
the the i just did an episode uh around

1029
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:44,480
the the kachina dolls which originated

1030
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,359
in the hopi culture so

1031
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,839
but to find tibetan

1032
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,560
tibetan flags prayer flags

1033
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:53,920
is very

1034
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,560
very interesting

1035
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,520
um

1036
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:59,280
it was it's been something that it was a

1037
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,040
passion that like my mom before she

1038
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:02,960
passed she got really

1039
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:07,440
uh fixated on learning about where we as

1040
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,240
indigenous people come from and uh i

1041
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:13,200
know that they talk about pangaea and

1042
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,560
that uh

1043
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,240
the whole pangaea thing

1044
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,200
that we originated for that people of

1045
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,359
our you know the indigenous line or

1046
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,599
bloodline is stretched

1047
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,839
throughout the americas

1048
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,160
and so i i always had a theory that our

1049
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:30,000
people originated from the south and

1050
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:32,000
just migrated north

1051
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,760
so but

1052
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:35,040
but it's really interesting that you

1053
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,800
would find a tibetan flag that like that

1054
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,000
really cool

1055
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,760
i mean cool and but if it's a prayer

1056
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,520
flag i understand because as an

1057
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,440
indigenous person you you know we are

1058
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,560
we're very

1059
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,800
protective of our of our prayers and

1060
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,880
what's sacred what's not and stuff like

1061
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:52,320
that so

1062
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,880
yeah and i'm i'm with you on your theory

1063
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:57,599
about the migration north i think yeah

1064
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,480
there's

1065
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,720
i think you're on the right you know

1066
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,320
it's mysterious

1067
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,160
when you um

1068
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:06,319
looking at civilization and where they

1069
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:07,440
inhabited

1070
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:08,160
and

1071
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,040
how

1072
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,400
i'm i'm with you on your on your theory

1073
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:14,560
and your mom's theory i'm right there

1074
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:17,680
um another strange case i'm sure you've

1075
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:18,800
heard of

1076
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,560
is for listeners um

1077
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,640
the grand canyon it's something called

1078
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:26,400
kincaid's cave

1079
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,000
and i guess back in the early 1900s the

1080
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,400
the phoenix gazette or the local paper

1081
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,560
published an article about

1082
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,640
this guy king cade who basically was

1083
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:38,960
exploring the grand canyon

1084
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,160
and said he found like these mysterious

1085
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,480
immense caverns

1086
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,839
that had

1087
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:48,000
all kinds of artifacts some of which

1088
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,839
even well the way he described them were

1089
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,119
egyptian and

1090
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,760
what's strange about this is you know

1091
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:57,839
i've gone down there and

1092
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,400
done as much

1093
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,480
you know digging into this as you can

1094
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,599
without

1095
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,119
you know drawing a lot of attention to

1096
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:06,400
oneself

1097
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,280
but

1098
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:09,440
they have literally

1099
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,400
sort of shut down part of the canyon you

1100
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,839
know and

1101
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,280
and uh

1102
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,760
it seems like it's a legendary place

1103
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:20,079
nobody can really access where he said

1104
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,040
it was

1105
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,119
there's i think one resort that's like

1106
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,440
super elite that you get flown in with a

1107
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,599
helicopter or something but

1108
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,760
but wow it's it's

1109
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,359
and even that i've heard some strange

1110
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,520
stories about um

1111
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,400
but

1112
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,920
yeah there was a guy

1113
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,040
but anyway

1114
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,280
you can't fly drones in the can grand

1115
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,040
canyon for other reasons

1116
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,240
that are mentioned um you can't find out

1117
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,200
a whole lot about it except that that

1118
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,720
that article

1119
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,560
is still you know you can find that

1120
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,480
online and

1121
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,240
so there was something to it apparently

1122
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,079
the smithsonian came in and it was one

1123
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,079
of these similar strange

1124
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,000
situations where they shut everything

1125
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,280
down and apparently took it for whatever

1126
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,920
reason but hard to hard to

1127
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:07,760
figure it out i mean we're talking about

1128
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,880
thousands of feet a river at the bottom

1129
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,280
um really difficult to find the mouth of

1130
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:14,960
a cave that's hidden in such an

1131
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:20,150
hmm

1132
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,440
that's

1133
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,920
yeah it still

1134
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,920
still begs the question of

1135
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,560
why um yeah

1136
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,400
it's something that uh it you made me

1137
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,920
think about this that

1138
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:34,560
in the indigenous culture in uh youth

1139
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,440
culture we talk about uh down there in

1140
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,760
the uh in the in that four corners area

1141
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,480
there is what they call the sleeping ute

1142
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:44,640
um it's it's the mountain that rests

1143
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,359
above the uh the toyoka reservation

1144
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,560
right there

1145
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,359
and i remember my aunt talking about

1146
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,839
giants she was she went off about giants

1147
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,880
one day

1148
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,400
we were on a

1149
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,280
trip to the city where we passed the uh

1150
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,000
uh over in hebrew the uh the tippanogas

1151
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,680
mountain that he wrote

1152
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,119
right there in hebrew

1153
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,480
and she would talk about tippanogas and

1154
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,440
uh the the sleeping you we have legends

1155
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:13,280
within the indigenous community of

1156
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,920
sleeping giants that that exist but she

1157
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,400
added to it that yes that they exist and

1158
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,119
that their reason for being there was

1159
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,920
that their protectors that these giants

1160
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,720
that these these sleeping giants they

1161
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,960
they're waiting and i asked her so what

1162
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,920
you know what are they waiting for

1163
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:33,280
auntie

1164
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,720
she said that

1165
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,800
when the time comes in the end of the

1166
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,839
world

1167
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:40,240
as you know when the when the last days

1168
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,280
come

1169
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,520
that these giants that have been

1170
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,119
sweeping for all these years she said

1171
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,200
that they're gonna wake up they'll wake

1172
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,839
up and they'll protect us they're gonna

1173
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,440
there and there's a reason why we are

1174
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,960
where we are

1175
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:55,280
because they are going to protect the

1176
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,480
people

1177
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,079
uh i did she used to say the youth

1178
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,800
people um so i would

1179
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,319
that made me think about that because of

1180
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,560
the grand canyon so large

1181
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,880
that i've heard some stories about there

1182
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,440
being resting giants in the grand canyon

1183
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:11,200
it just made me think about that so

1184
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,160
mm-hmm

1185
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:14,319
no that's super cool and it's so

1186
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:17,200
mysterious that these canyons

1187
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,119
you know they they have such rich

1188
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,200
history of giants i'm kind of glad you

1189
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:23,520
brought that up jordan because

1190
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,680
a lot of these these giant tails are

1191
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,680
pretty widespread

1192
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,680
and you know uh

1193
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,079
i we kind of spoke about the dry fort

1194
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,720
canyon petroglyphs and i mean for people

1195
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,640
that haven't seen these

1196
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:41,520
they have really big feet they have like

1197
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,800
really

1198
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:44,880
different characteristics that you don't

1199
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:45,839
see

1200
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,400
um at a lot of the places and just the

1201
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,400
area in general i mean there's like

1202
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:53,040
these mysterious sinks that are hard to

1203
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,640
describe to people that aren't familiar

1204
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,240
with the area

1205
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,720
it seems almost like there is

1206
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,480
underground

1207
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:02,000
caverns

1208
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:02,880
where

1209
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,280
uh some of these trails you'll just see

1210
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,640
where it it literally stuff will will

1211
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,119
sink like the ground will sink or

1212
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,359
um something that's happened

1213
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,520
right there near randlet mightin and

1214
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,119
fort duchesne

1215
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,160
i own some property there just south of

1216
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,440
the old bigelow ranch on the border and

1217
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,040
sometimes we'll go out there and i'm

1218
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,599
sure you've seen this like the ground

1219
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,280
will just kind of open up and you get

1220
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:31,119
these little crack well not little

1221
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,640
cracks you get these cracks in the

1222
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,760
ground

1223
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,480
that will go down like 10 20 feet and

1224
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,160
then you'll come back a day or two later

1225
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:40,800
and they're all closed up

1226
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:44,160
it's almost as if it opens for a reason

1227
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,040
um

1228
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,480
i actually grew up uh for

1229
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,400
18 years i moved off the reservation

1230
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:52,800
when i was 18 but i actually grew up

1231
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,319
uh in the randalet area and uh so i'm

1232
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,319
very familiar with the stories that come

1233
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,160
from that area that we used to talk

1234
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,800
about these kids would wander the

1235
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,280
the land we'd wander and do you know

1236
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,119
kids stuff we'd during the winter time

1237
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,520
we'd uh we'd walk the the canals that

1238
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:11,359
were frozen but you would

1239
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:14,880
always see interesting things there are

1240
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,160
places out there that are like you said

1241
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,720
like little caverns little caves

1242
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:21,680
that

1243
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,040
uh tend to just appear for no reason

1244
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,800
and we were always told that you don't

1245
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,280
don't own don't go near them because

1246
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,880
there's something in there

1247
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,880
it was one of those uh things that we

1248
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,480
were never told what was in there but

1249
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,160
that you just don't mess with it you

1250
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,160
don't bother with it

1251
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,400
so yeah but i'm very familiar with that

1252
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,800
with the mysterious holes in the uinta

1253
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,440
basin yeah it's and you know what that's

1254
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,920
good advice is parents because i know my

1255
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:50,000
wife you know when i've told her some of

1256
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,599
these things she's like we have two

1257
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,720
toddlers

1258
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,480
and my wife is like you're not taking

1259
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:56,240
them out there until they're bigger

1260
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,200
because

1261
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:00,079
yeah like i remember one just as just

1262
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,200
recently

1263
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,760
i i got a long poll

1264
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,400
like a post to see just how because it

1265
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,960
wasn't there just a day or two before

1266
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,200
and for for listeners the only way i can

1267
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:13,119
describe it is it's like a crack in the

1268
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:14,079
earth

1269
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:15,119
and

1270
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,520
tell it's more than 10 or 12 feet

1271
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:22,000
and some are less than that but i i you

1272
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,839
know tried to push down with the pole to

1273
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,920
see how far it went i could not feel the

1274
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,880
bottom

1275
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:27,920
and

1276
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,720
i dropped a rock down there

1277
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,559
and

1278
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:35,280
when i heard it it's it's wild that

1279
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,240
something

1280
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,960
would open up that is that deep

1281
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,319
and then

1282
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,559
like like we were talking about you come

1283
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:44,160
back a day or two later and it's all

1284
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:45,760
closed up as if it was never there and

1285
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,880
if it rains you can't even find it and

1286
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,400
it's like

1287
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,480
there has to be

1288
00:47:56,829 --> 00:47:55,040
i'm not i'm no scientist but there has

1289
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:56,839
to be something

1290
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:04,549
i would say so um we were never

1291
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,680
explained why um

1292
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:10,079
as a as an indigenous youth like you're

1293
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:11,119
taught to

1294
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,400
they tell us you know you don't talk

1295
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,400
about these things you know you leave it

1296
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,359
be you you don't bother with it

1297
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,760
um so yeah we were never

1298
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,599
we were never educated as to what these

1299
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,599
holes in the ground were just that uh

1300
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,880
you just you know like you said don't

1301
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,359
bother with them just leave them be

1302
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,800
but of course you know you throw rocks

1303
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,880
and stuff

1304
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,200
i know i probably shouldn't i

1305
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,800
when i did it i actually thought to

1306
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,960
myself is this a bad idea throwing you

1307
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,880
know poking the bear so to speak like

1308
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:40,480
dropping things in there

1309
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:41,280
but

1310
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,079
um

1311
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:44,400
speaking of bears and

1312
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,200
and

1313
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,599
interesting tales from the uinta

1314
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:48,720
mountains

1315
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,680
uh up there near dutch john utah which

1316
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,359
is just northeast of the state for

1317
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,800
listeners really close to where we're

1318
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:57,040
talking about but just northeast

1319
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,000
and

1320
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,599
it's right below the

1321
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,240
utah wyoming border the eastern border

1322
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,079
yup exactly

1323
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,640
and there were you know in the 1800s

1324
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,319
there were mountain men

1325
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:09,760
up there

1326
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:12,960
and what's you know fur trappers etc

1327
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,000
which blows my mind how these guys could

1328
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,599
you know not only make a living and

1329
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:18,960
survive

1330
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,960
but you know they were kind of weird

1331
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,920
guys

1332
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:23,119
and

1333
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,160
uh

1334
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,480
there were many tales

1335
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:28,400
from these mountain men

1336
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,920
up in the uinta mountains of large

1337
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,400
hairy humanoids for lack of a better

1338
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,119
word have you heard any tales from that

1339
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:38,960
area

1340
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,800
no um i've heard of me personally

1341
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,040
my friends and i where we uh

1342
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:47,200
as teenagers we would drive up the the

1343
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,720
uh uh canyon areas um which because it

1344
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,040
lies within the the tribal

1345
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:54,960
uh reservation and so we would

1346
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,680
constantly drive around up there but um

1347
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,920
as far as i remember i don't remember

1348
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,200
seeing a lot

1349
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,720
um probably because i was doing some

1350
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,839
stuff i probably shouldn't have been

1351
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,440
doing

1352
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:08,000
but um there were stories of people

1353
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,599
seeing or hearing like loud knocks you

1354
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:13,920
would hear loud knocks on trees um we

1355
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,640
would constantly follow

1356
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,960
oh sorry sorry we would constantly

1357
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,920
follow

1358
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,119
uh lights

1359
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,839
these these floating orbs uh within the

1360
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,599
within the uintah canyons and you went

1361
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:27,760
mountains and stuff like that so there

1362
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,400
are so many stories but the only thing

1363
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,960
that i personally have never seen or

1364
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,319
heard anything

1365
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,079
which i'm really bummed out because i'm

1366
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,559
a huge bigfoot fan

1367
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,280
i love hearing stories about bigfoot and

1368
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,480
i haven't heard anything so far i know i

1369
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:46,160
i know we didn't we just said hairy

1370
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:49,760
humanoids but um to me you know

1371
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,720
but um yeah i've i i would i haven't

1372
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:54,480
heard anything from that area

1373
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:57,520
yeah it's it's it's strange because like

1374
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:01,440
we we like there is so many

1375
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:04,400
legends and tales of

1376
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:07,040
giants in utah i think oh i'm trying to

1377
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,319
think all the names of the different

1378
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,839
caves that people have claimed to have

1379
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,920
found like historic and i mean some of

1380
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,760
these have been verified like there was

1381
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,599
a brewers cave

1382
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:17,440
and then there's of course the lovelock

1383
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,960
cave in nevada i mean there are cases

1384
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,640
where um

1385
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,079
i guess some have kind of slipped

1386
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,680
through the cracks and gotten to the

1387
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:27,040
mainstream

1388
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:30,079
and people have actually found these

1389
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,200
large

1390
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,160
skeletal remains of at least humans that

1391
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,559
are pretty big i mean i don't know

1392
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,280
what the what the line in the sand is

1393
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,000
for calling somebody a giant or not but

1394
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,079
some of these remains are pretty big and

1395
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,800
then if you go into the folklore there's

1396
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,960
like a whole bunch more that happens you

1397
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,800
know tales of

1398
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,359
of giants found in caves and and things

1399
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,359
of that nature so i don't know like you

1400
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:57,680
said like when i hear hairy humanoid my

1401
00:52:03,990 --> 00:51:59,920
head goes to the same place jordan my

1402
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:06,069
yeah i i've always been i've been

1403
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,520
actually asking a lot of my listeners

1404
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,440
for bigfoot stories in the tribal uh

1405
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:11,839
tribal law because the the indigenous

1406
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,720
community when we look at a guy a guy

1407
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,800
we know him personally um

1408
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:18,880
when we when we talk about bigfoot

1409
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,839
sasquatch yeah he has many it has many

1410
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,599
names but we talk about there are

1411
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,960
different legends and urban legends

1412
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,160
behind bigfoot not to spend too much

1413
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,920
time on it but that the indigenous

1414
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,240
people believe that it's uh that he

1415
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,040
exists as a as a spirit as an entity of

1416
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,680
of the forest i've heard a lot of

1417
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,359
legends and

1418
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,000
descriptions of that within different uh

1419
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:42,800
different tribal lore that whatever the

1420
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:46,400
bigfoot is is sort of a a wandering

1421
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,079
spirit so so something like that

1422
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,079
yeah like a real life what that makes

1423
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:54,640
perfect sense man and

1424
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,520
it's the reason why we as you know in

1425
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,480
this day and age we can't capture him we

1426
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:02,559
can't see him you know we will catch

1427
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,319
glimpses and that whatever it is is it's

1428
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:08,960
watching it it can he keeps an eye on

1429
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,440
the forest in that way

1430
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,520
and but yeah it's the reason why we

1431
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,599
can't catch him it's the reason why

1432
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:17,200
pictures don't come out the right way

1433
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,800
it's the reason why you can only hear

1434
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:21,200
him you can't see him but you can hear

1435
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,160
him and

1436
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,000
every once in a while if you if you're

1437
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,839
looking well enough

1438
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:27,520
that you might be able to get a good

1439
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,280
glimpse of of bigfoot sasquatch in that

1440
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,000
way and i wonder if and i've had this

1441
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,680
just the random thought not to derail

1442
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,079
too much but i've always wondered if

1443
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,200
trying to open that third eye

1444
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,359
that we we all hear about i know that

1445
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,280
you you talk a lot about that in in you

1446
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:46,559
know in this show

1447
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,839
about

1448
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,599
connecting with the spiritual realm in

1449
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,000
that way my wife and i have done that

1450
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:55,440
um a lot and it's opened our eyes our

1451
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,480
third eye

1452
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,760
to

1453
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,440
different experiences

1454
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,280
both within you know the tribal

1455
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,760
community and and outside of it and it's

1456
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,280
been a journey

1457
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,839
to say the least uh

1458
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:09,599
to

1459
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,200
advise people that when you do it though

1460
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,119
be be ready you're going to see some

1461
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:16,800
stuff

1462
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:19,920
yeah there does seem like there's

1463
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:23,040
there's something strangely encoded

1464
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,000
in that opening of the pineal gland it

1465
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,240
does seem like it man like it does seem

1466
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,400
like it's an operation that you you're

1467
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:32,000
you're able to see

1468
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,040
more

1469
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,200
uh when you're open-minded and that that

1470
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,240
takes place i agree 100 percent and as

1471
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:40,960
we wrap up um let's tell listeners once

1472
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:44,000
again where they can hear your podcasts

1473
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,390
i know i'm i love these kind of stories

1474
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,480
i love i'm a huge paranormal buff we'll

1475
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,799
have to do this again because i enjoy

1476
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,720
talking about all the scary paranormal

1477
00:55:03,670 --> 00:54:59,280
stuff and uh i've got some ufo stories

1478
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,470
but uh yeah again i run three podcasts

1479
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,680
uh both

1480
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,599
for my paranormal lovers and listeners

1481
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:12,000
out there it's called scary stories to

1482
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:14,720
tell from the res uh you can find us

1483
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,240
again on

1484
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:18,079
anchor spotify

1485
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:21,599
uh google google google google podcasts

1486
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,880
and youtube

1487
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,760
um

1488
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,599
for that one uh one missing one murdered

1489
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,920
all indigenous the number one missing

1490
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:28,960
the number

1491
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:33,280
is found both again on youtube

1492
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,359
on google podcast podbean spotify

1493
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:39,920
and uh i'd have to get my list i'll i'll

1494
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,319
send you the links but um you can find

1495
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,480
us there and uh this

1496
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,200
the uh talking kfabe is the wrestling

1497
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:49,599
podcast currently right now i'm only on

1498
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,040
spotify and youtube um hopefully

1499
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,520
uh more platforms to come

1500
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,920
three nerds one three nerds walk into a

1501
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,799
bar

1502
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:01,119
is uh both on is currently just on

1503
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,559
spotify

1504
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,599
so and you can find us all on facebook

1505
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,520
um you can find all of us if you just

1506
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,280
search up the titles uh we're on

1507
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,760
facebook you can email us directly

1508
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:13,760
uh on there and uh especially for my

1509
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:14,839
paranormal

1510
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,359
listeners i'm always looking for stories

1511
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,760
guys so if you know somebody or if

1512
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:21,040
you've had an experience on the

1513
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,319
reservation

1514
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:24,000
let me know i want to tell them i want

1515
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:25,839
to i want to get to get the word out

1516
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,480
there hopefully we can figure out maybe

1517
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,000
maybe somebody else out there has had

1518
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,079
the same experience maybe you've seen

1519
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:34,400
something that you can't explain but

1520
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,359
maybe somebody else can who knows

1521
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:39,359
but again thanks man for letting me come

1522
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:40,480
on here and

1523
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,839
just ramble yeah thank you thank you

1524
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,520
i love that three nerds walk into the

1525
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,839
bar man you have the greatest titles for

1526
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,160
your podcast they're so good

1527
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,880
um i market a lot of my own stuff it's

1528
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,880
funny because the uh

1529
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,480
that's how much time i have on my hands

1530
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,240
i swear i need i need to be in

1531
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,920
merchandising which is what i've been

1532
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,680
doing you can actually buy

1533
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,440
uh scary stories to tell from the reds

1534
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,440
you can actually buy my t-shirts

1535
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,680
um i have merchandise for that one the

1536
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:09,680
three nerds and the talking k fave and

1537
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,720
stuff i'm currently working on

1538
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,640
merchandise for that so

1539
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,880
that's so cool you're doing it man

1540
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,640
that's so awesome and thanks again for

1541
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:18,400
coming on we'll have to talk again soon

1542
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:19,359
brother

1543
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,760
absolutely man absolutely it was it was

1544
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,680
too fun it's always fun to talk about

1545
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,359
paranormal stuff and

1546
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,119
yeah like i said next time we'll come on

1547
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,079
i'll we'll i'll tell you my ufo stories

1548
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,640
and uh maybe some more stories that i

1549
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,359
haven't told anywhere else

1550
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,760
perfect

1551
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:39,040
thanks man

1552
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:43,599
jordan is the man that was so awesome

1553
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:44,400
he

1554
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:45,520
was

1555
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:48,640
going all the places i wanted to go

1556
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:51,920
definitely check out his podcasts and

1557
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,559
his passion projects he's a content

1558
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:56,880
creator with a lot going on

1559
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:59,839
and uh i gotta check out these t-shirts

1560
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:02,720
is that sounds awesome and best of all

1561
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:06,000
he's a uinta basin resident and local

1562
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,599
grew up in the area

1563
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:09,839
super jealous of that rand led is such a

1564
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,559
beautiful area everything there in the

1565
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:15,359
basin is so stunning uh it's it's really

1566
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:16,880
hard to explain

1567
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:20,000
over audio just how amazing of a place

1568
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,440
this is

1569
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:24,240
he has experiences in the four corners

1570
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,760
as well

1571
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,920
absolutely everything i could wish for

1572
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:29,920
as far as talking it i could talk to him

1573
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,040
forever

1574
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,280
if you have not become a patron yet

1575
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,280
definitely go to patreon and support

1576
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,480
hero paranormal you can also become a

1577
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,079
patron on podbean go to

1578
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,240
heroparanormal.com

1579
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,559
lots of content behind the paywall and

1580
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:46,960
your support makes this happen great

1581
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:47,920
stuff

1582
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,000
thanks so much for listening in please

1583
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,880
support jordan and until next time keep

1584
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,640
your eyes to the skies

1585
00:59:04,020 --> 00:58:57,359
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1586
00:59:04,030 --> 00:59:09,260
[Applause]

1587
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:20,320
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